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AV8R Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 882 North Central Wisconsin   Pics

2003-12-06          70439

I know you guys can tell me who and where to find a 3pt generator which will fit my 2230. Any ideas on how big I can run? I know nothing about generators or their associated wiring, but I would like to be able to hook up to the house and have some live circuts available if power goes out. Anyone??


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Chief Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee   Pics

2003-12-06          70440

Figure 1 kilowatt per 2 pto horsepower rating. ....

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TomG Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley

2003-12-06          70442

There's a lot of discussion in the archives about size, wiring and merits of standalone vs. 3ph. I went the standalone way and wired in my own generator panel so generator power can be gotten to most of the house easily.

I used an alternative to wiring into the utility equipment, before I installed the panel. I had a 100A panel on 110' of flex 100A line that I used in the sound/lighting buz. The panel is mounted on plywood and a number of receptacle boxes on the board are wired into the panel. When we needed backup power I dragged the panel inside and ran extension cords and power bars as needed. I did install a stove receptacle on the board and used several twist-lock receptacles common for lighting circuits for well pump and furnace feeds. Later an inspector for other work I did didn't like the twist-locks in the well and furnace lines so I don't know if that washes under code but the separate panel idea should be OK most places since there's nothing connected to the utility equipment. There might be some regs for temporary power setups though. ....

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DRankin Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada   Pics

2003-12-06          70448

Deere is marketing a three point PTO operated 10 kw generator that is matched for size and output to their X series 24 horse diesel lawn tractors. If you didn't know, the X series is the same size (tires/hitch) as the BX.

It should make very close to the rated wattage with your BX. I just bought one for my 4115 and would be happy to share specs with you. They didn't paint it green so it will not clash with your orange paint.

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AV8R Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 882 North Central Wisconsin   Pics

2003-12-07          70492

hehe. Thanks Mark.

I think after doing the archive search and reading the threads on generators, the true logic tells me to go with a stand-alone unit.

Now, to find a portable with a small diesel motor... ....

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kubotaguy Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 360 Shepherdstown, WV

2003-12-07          70494

You could use Northern Tools as a reference. They have many different types of generators. I checked tractor supply but I have only seen gasoline versions there. I wanted to get one to run at the least my well pump and maybe a few other small things. I was looking at Sears for one rate at 10,000 watts. Would that be big enough? ....

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TomG Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley

2003-12-08          70516

Unless I got my arithmetic wrong, I'm guessing that a 10,000 W generator has a 40A/240V main breaker. Most well pump circuits have 20A/240V breakers but many pumps are rated well below the breaker protection. Mine ran fine on a 15A circuit. Unless you've got quite a pump it's safe to say a 10,000W generator would run the pump and a few not quite so small things as well. My 6,500W-peak standalone pretty much runs the house as we use it less the hot water heater but I do have to juggle circuits a bit.

You might want to estimate a fixed load requirement for lighting etc. and then add up the peak requirements of all electric motors you want to run (Using circuit breaker size as a proxy for peak load is very conservative). If the fixed load plus total peak load is under 10,000W then it should be fine, otherwise some things should be shut down while others are running. You also might add the continuous load requirements for motors to the fixed load to ensure the demand doesn't exceed the generator's continuous rating. You might look at a generator's duty-cycle rating, but unless you're running a flock of electric motors that turn on and off frequently it's probably not much of an issue. ....

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F350Lawman Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 411 Goshen, NY   Pics

2003-12-08          70587

I have looked at the same type of generators. This is what I learned, I think :)

The problem is that most of the small portable diesel generators run at 3600 rpm's. Sort of defeating the purpose of having a slower running diesel motor, gas generators usually run at 3600 rpms. The 3600 rpm diesels will burn less fuel and last longer than 3600rpm gas motors but not as long or as efficiently as 1800 rpm diesel motors. The problem is once you step up to the 1800 or so RPM diesel gens they are more $$$ and usually bigger(heavier).

My thought was to get an 1800 rpm diesel in the 10-12k range that was mounted on a steel skid. With the tractor it would still be "portable" and would likely last a lifetime. Even at 800-900lbs they sould be adapted to be carried on the 3pt.,in the FEL or on a cart if needed.


I will put a link at the bottom for an online dealer that carries some reasonable diesel generators. They will send you a catalogue in days if you like.

Another source is EBAY they have 10K Onan military generators that are skid mounted for about $2000. I know people who have ex-militray generators and they are BUILT WELL to run around the clock indefinitely. Uncle Sam only buys they best, with 2000 hours on the clock you'll likely get another 10,000 hours. They are usually way underrated as well, the miltary wants them to put out the wattage at 5000ft above sea level, 100*F on crappy fuel just to be sure they will work in the field. For you and me the will probably be more like 13K units.

I would like a portable unit and haven't ruled out the 3600 rpm units all together due to convenience abd $$ reasons, but the military units seem nice if you can live with the "limited portability" I suppose in a pinch using the tracor I could even get one of the bigger units in the truck bed for an occasional camping trip or to use with a trailer. ....


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Art White Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6898 Waterville New York   Pics

2003-12-09          70632

Good find Lawman!! they do have some good prices and some interesting units there. By the way I was on a new 790 this past week for a bit. It was interesting. ....

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F350Lawman Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 411 Goshen, NY   Pics

2003-12-09          70636

"It was interesting"

Thanks, they do have a wide assortment of gens on Ebay. That Onan military unit is catching my eye, too bad it will have to wait:(

I would be interested in hearing what you thought of the 790, good or bad. My standard of reference has only been other geared tractors. Even if they were larger they operated pretty much the same with the exception of a few synchro gears.

I can say I got a heck of a lot of work out of the 790 the past three days. I plowed with the FEL right through the fields through areas of 2 foot snow with no problem. The only difficulty I had was going through the field with the 5,000lb full manure cart. Ran into a soggy area and the cart sunk. I didn't get stuck but had to unhitch, plow an alternate route, fill the bucket with manure for more front weight and then I was on my way. I think front wheel weights would have helped with plowing all together as I occasionally lost the ability to steer when pushing BIG piles.

This tractor ran and did some idling for what seemed like the entire weekend and then some on a little more than 6 gallons of diesel. Plowing at moderate RPMs and this thing sips fuel, I must have put 10 hours on it easily. My little snowblower would have gone through at least as many gallons. ....

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Murf Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada   Pics

2003-12-09          70639

Lawman, try lifting the bucket ever so little above the ground, then angle the bucket bottom slightly down. Doing this will cause the snow load to exert some downwards pressure on the front axle. If you want you can go back for a second pass and clean up the little bit thats left.

The economy you mention is the big reason we use CUT's so much for snow removal.

Best of luck. ....

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F350Lawman Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 411 Goshen, NY   Pics

2003-12-09          70641

Yeah, my angle of attack may have been off slightly those times. I was trying not to scalp the ground so I may have been too shallow. ....

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